[Classweb-users] Help with a Chinese literature translation -- PL2919

Tue Jul 29 15:18:05 EDT 2014

Dear Chris, 

A quick answer: When using the LC classification schedules, it is important to look at the instructions at the beginning of any list (such as individual authors). The instructions are not repeated further "down." This is a little more obvious in the print version of the schedules than in Classification Web, although the latter tool can be very helpful in call number construction, using the tables within the schedule.  The LC classification schedules give instructions for classification, and for cutter numbers that are part of the classification, but not for completing call numbers -- i.e., shelflisting.  When using the LC classification schedules, it is often necessary -- and with the P schedules, almost always necessary -- to go beyond the "internal" tables within the P classification schedule and to consult LC's "CSM: Classification and Shelflisting Manual." Historically, LC classification and shelflisting were performed by different staff, in assembly line fashion. The separation of instructions needed to complete a call number reflected LC's organization chart (admittedly different from almost all other libraries).

Check out the archived webinars (available for FREE) at the ALCTS website <www.ala.org/alcts> . Look for archived webinars in the right-hand column of the screen. Clicking there will give you a list of webinars in reverse chronological order. These may be of interest:
November 12, 2012. Principles of Classification. Presented by Lai Ma.
May 9, 2012. Using the LC Classification P Schedule. Presented by Elaine A. Franco.
May 2, 2012. Using the LC Classification H Schedule. Presented by Louise Ratliff. 

The webinar I presented, over two years ago, does not address RDA changes (particularly the absence of the LC Rule Interpretations that affected uniform titles for literary collections and selections with distinctive titles under AACR2. I hope to prepare a sequel that will focus on differences for selections, collections, etc., among other things). However, the webinar should be useful to you, as it specifically addresses situations in which the cataloger must look for guidance beyond the schedules, and consult the tables in "CSM."

Here is the "hype" for the webinar:

"At the end of the presentation, attendees will be able to:

    create classification numbers for individual literary authors
    identify and use appropriate internal tables to shelflist an author's collections, individual works, and criticism
    apply external tables from CSM: Classification and Shelflisting Manual to shelflist translations, abridgments, and criticism of individual literary    works"

Louise Ratliff's presentation on the H Schedule also focused on the "internal" and "external" tables that must be consulted.

Hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me directly if you have further questions.

Elaine Franco
University of California, Davis
eafranco at ucdavis.edu 

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Subject: Re: [Classweb-users] Help with a Chinese literature translation -- PL2919

Sorry to jump into this so late, but what, then, would be the correct construction of this call number, and why?  Doug's question happens to come right at a time when I am struggling to figure out the P schedules in general, and call numbers in particular.  For example, John Steinbeck isn't specifically listed in the PS schedules, but his authority record says the number established for him is PS3537.T3234.  Fine.  But what specifically instructs me to use Table P-PZ40 besides the fact that all the other authors listed in that part of the schedule instruct the user to use that table?  And once I go to that table, where are the instructions which tell me how to use it?  And how to construct the cutter numbers?

I just realized (and am so very embarrassed to admit) that after 18 years as a professional, MLS cataloger, I basically have no idea how to construct a call number, not just in the Ps, but in just about any schedule.  Cuttering (not using a cutter table, but adjusting the cutter to fit a shelflist) is a major vexation.  I have several books on subject and classification work (including a couple by Lois Mai Chan, but they don't have the basic detail my simple brain seems to need.  Does anyone out there have any suggestions for me of webinars, web resources, books, or really basic, introductory training materials that could help me, and help me train others?  I need a "back-to-school" type approach, I guess. 

Thanks,
Chris

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Subject: Re: [Classweb-users] Help with a Chinese literature translation -- PL2919

According to the authority file, this work should have the uniform title Short stories. Selections. English.

A2 is the second cutter for collected or selected translations in English.  The schedule says to subarrange by date, so I don't think A28 would be correct.

If the Lapse of Time were a single work, the second cutter would be based on the original title (Liu shi), e.g. L5, with an addition based on the translation table in the Classification and Shelflisting Manual G 150: L513.

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> Subject: [Classweb-users] Help with a Chinese literature translation 
> -- PL2919
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> Hi everyone,
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> I have book, Lapse of Time , by Wang Anyi. ISBN 7119033603. I need 
> help to use table P-PZ40 correctly for this. The class number is PL 29 19.
> 
> I need help with the second cutter. I am thinking that since it is a 
> translation of the original in Chinese, that the second cutter should be A2. Is this correct?
> From what I have done previously, I have only used "Separate works. By 
> title" if one is cataloging the book in the original language. Is this correct?
> 
> I see an OCLC record #62791637 that has the second cutter starting with L.
> This seems unusual to me given what I see in the table.
> 
> Any assistance that you can provide would be most appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Doug
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> Doug Kariel
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