From michael.borries at mail.cuny.edu Fri May 15 11:35:50 2015 From: michael.borries at mail.cuny.edu (Michael Borries) Date: Fri, 15 May 2015 15:35:50 +0000 Subject: [Classweb-users] FW: QA76.76.O63 In-Reply-To: <38ef84c24f51425da3ad850fccd06c12@LGCCEX04.laguardia.cc> References: <38ef84c24f51425da3ad850fccd06c12@LGCCEX04.laguardia.cc> Message-ID: QA76.76.O63 is listed in parentheses with a note to use QA76.77-.774. I was under the impression that once the class had been changed, new editions of titles were to be classed in the new class number. Is this correct? If so, are the examples below simply titles that "slipped through the cracks"? Michael S. Borries Cataloger, City University of New York 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10010 Phone: (646) 312-1687 Email: Michael.Borries at mail.cuny.edu From: Francine Egger-sider [mailto:FEGGER at lagcc.cuny.edu] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:30 AM To: Michael Borries Subject: QA76.76.O63 Hi Michael, You told us a while back that QA76.76.O63 is no longer being used. But I keep getting new books, cataloged by LC, with that call number. Case in point: Understanding operating systems by Ann Mciver, 7th ed., ISBN 9781285096551, 2014 And even a 2015 publication: Modern operating systems by Tanenbaum and Bos, 4th ed., ISBN 9780133591620. Do I have to do original cataloging each time I get one of these books? From michael.borries at mail.cuny.edu Tue May 19 15:44:04 2015 From: michael.borries at mail.cuny.edu (Michael Borries) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 19:44:04 +0000 Subject: [Classweb-users] QA76.76.O63 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Ian, and all list members, A copy of this email was sent to the LC/CP section at LC. It was (apparently) forwarded to one of the LC catalogers. She responded by saying that many libraries like newer editions classed with older ones under the older class number, so that all editions sit together on the shelf. I replied that in our case, I encouraged catalogers at the individual CUNY colleges to reclass their books into the newer numbers (since we have open stacks, and this keeps similar materials together), and that even if older materials were not reclassed, it still seemed better, from the readers viewpoint, to keep all newer materials together, even if that meant separating the editions. I also pointed out that we relied on LC to follow their stated policy, and did not expect to have examine materials in various classes where class numbers had changed to see if the policy was being carried out. (I have stated the response somewhat more succinctly here than in the email I sent to the cataloger). I probably should have sent a copy of my original message to the LCERROR list, but my first concern was to ascertain whether there was an error in ClassWeb, and apparently there is none. If others on this list have similar concerns (or a different opinion), they may want to address LC at Library of Congress Policy and Standards Division >. Michael Michael S. Borries Cataloger, City University of New York 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10010 Phone: (646) 312-1687 Email: Michael.Borries at mail.cuny.edu From: Ian Fairclough [mailto:ifairclo at gmu.edu] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 6:17 PM To: Michael Borries Cc: Francine Egger-Sider; classweb-users at loc.gov; 'lccerror-request at listserv.kent.edu' Subject: QA76.76.O63 Michael, Francine (c: Classweb-users list, LCCERROR listowners), If these cases truly are erroneous, LC needs to know so that they can correct their bibliographic record. Unfortunately, a post to Classweb-users does not constitute informing LC, even though the list itself is hosted by LC. You need to address them via the appropriate channels. Perhaps another reader will advise further on this. Furthermore, LC creates and maintains bibliographic records in their own catalog, accessible via http://catalog.loc.gov. A version of that record found elsewhere, such as in WorldCat, does not meet this criterion. Another forum in which such cases IS of interest is the LCCERROR list. That list was created specifically for handling mistakes in call numbers. But again, it does not constitute a means of informing LC. It is for other readers who also wish to be advised of such cases. Sincerely - Ian (LCCERROR co-listowner) Ian Fairclough Cataloging and Metadata Services Librarian George Mason University 703-993-2938 ifairclo at gmu.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Borries > Date: Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:35 AM Subject: [Classweb-users] FW: QA76.76.O63 To: "ClassWeb Users List >" > Cc: "Francine Egger-Sider (fegger at lagcc.cuny.edu)" > QA76.76.O63 is listed in parentheses with a note to use QA76.77-.774. I was under the impression that once the class had been changed, new editions of titles were to be classed in the new class number. Is this correct? If so, are the examples below simply titles that "slipped through the cracks"? Michael S. Borries Cataloger, City University of New York 151 East 25th Street, 5th Floor New York, NY 10010 Phone: (646) 312-1687 Email: Michael.Borries at mail.cuny.edu From: Francine Egger-sider [mailto:FEGGER at lagcc.cuny.edu] Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 11:30 AM To: Michael Borries Subject: QA76.76.O63 Hi Michael, You told us a while back that QA76.76.O63 is no longer being used. But I keep getting new books, cataloged by LC, with that call number. Case in point: Understanding operating systems by Ann Mciver, 7th ed., ISBN 9781285096551, 2014 And even a 2015 publication: Modern operating systems by Tanenbaum and Bos, 4th ed., ISBN 9780133591620. Do I have to do original cataloging each time I get one of these books? _______________________________________________ Classweb-users mailing list Classweb-users at classificationweb.net http://classificationweb.net/mailman/listinfo/classweb-users From richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu Tue May 19 15:54:01 2015 From: richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu (Lammert, Richard) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:54:01 -0400 Subject: [Classweb-users] BS895.J4-.J42 caption Message-ID: The caption for BS895.J4-J42 does not correspond to how this classification number has been used. This number is in the section for "The Bible?Old Testament?Texts and versions?Modern texts and versions of the Old Testament?English?English versions?Other versions and revisions. By version, A-Z." The caption is "Jerusalem," but this classification number has been used exclusively for the "Jewish Publication Society" translation. It appears that the caption is in error. Richard A. Lammert -- Rev. Richard A. Lammert e-mail: richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu Technical Services Librarian mail: 6600 N. Clinton St. Systems Librarian Fort Wayne, IN 46825-4916 Walther Library phone: 260-452-3148 Concordia Theological Seminary From richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu Tue May 19 15:55:52 2015 From: richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu (Lammert, Richard) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:55:52 -0400 Subject: [Classweb-users] BS895.J4-.J42 caption Message-ID: The caption for BS895.J4-J42 does not correspond to how this classification number has been used. This number is in the section for "The Bible?Old Testament?Texts and versions?Modern texts and versions of the Old Testament?English?English versions?Other versions and revisions. By version, A-Z." The caption is "Jerusalem," but this classification number has been used exclusively for the "Jewish Publication Society" translation. It appears that the caption is in error. Richard A. Lammert -- Rev. Richard A. Lammert e-mail: richard.lammert at ctsfw.edu Technical Services Librarian mail: 6600 N. Clinton St. Systems Librarian Fort Wayne, IN 46825-4916 Walther Library phone: 260-452-3148 Concordia Theological Seminary From mweiler at alumni.sfu.ca Tue May 19 16:35:16 2015 From: mweiler at alumni.sfu.ca (Mark Weiler) Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 20:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Classweb-users] Well known classification and cataloguing teachers? Message-ID: <83617032.1111979.1432067716626.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Good teachers have a certain quality -- understand the content and are good at communicating to those trying to learn. Just wondering if there are any well known classification/cataloguing teachers out there? mark From A.vanDuijn at uva.nl Thu May 21 08:04:56 2015 From: A.vanDuijn at uva.nl (Duijn, Aad van) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 12:04:56 +0000 Subject: [Classweb-users] Cannot deconstruct 171.16 using parent record NE674.6 and rule 2. Message-ID: Browsing NE671.16 in ClassWeb I get the message Cannot deconstruct 171.16 using parent record NE674.6 and rule 2. What is that supposed to mean? Met vriendelijke groet, Aad van Duijn Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Sector Acquisitie & Metadatadiensten Aad van Duijn Co?rdinator onderwerpsontsluiting Postbus 19185 | 1000 GG Amsterdam Singel 425 | 1012 WP Amsterdam T 020 525 2432 | F 020 5252390 email: a.vanduijn at uva.nl www.uba.uva.nl Aanwezig op di | wo | do | vr From mpie at loc.gov Thu May 21 09:39:47 2015 From: mpie at loc.gov (Pietris, Mary Kay) Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 09:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Classweb-users] Cannot deconstruct 171.16 using parent record NE674.6 and rule 2. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We may have a table overlapping specifically established numbers. It may take a while to figure this out. If you browse at NE500, you will have an idea of what we're dealing with. It may take a while to sort this out--the person who truly understood this type of table retired in 2011. Mary K. D. Pietris, Cataloging Policy Specialist Library of Congress Acquisitions and Bibliographic Access Directorate Policy and Standards Division -----Original Message----- From: Classweb-users [mailto:classweb-users-bounces at classificationweb.net] On Behalf Of Duijn, Aad van Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 8:05 AM To: classweb-users at classificationweb.net Subject: [Classweb-users] Cannot deconstruct 171.16 using parent record NE674.6 and rule 2. Browsing NE671.16 in ClassWeb I get the message Cannot deconstruct 171.16 using parent record NE674.6 and rule 2. What is that supposed to mean? Met vriendelijke groet, Aad van Duijn Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Sector Acquisitie & Metadatadiensten Aad van Duijn Co?rdinator onderwerpsontsluiting Postbus 19185 | 1000 GG Amsterdam Singel 425 | 1012 WP Amsterdam T 020 525 2432 | F 020 5252390 email: a.vanduijn at uva.nl www.uba.uva.nl Aanwezig op di | wo | do | vr _______________________________________________ Classweb-users mailing list Classweb-users at classificationweb.net http://classificationweb.net/mailman/listinfo/classweb-users From A.vanDuijn at uva.nl Wed May 27 06:32:56 2015 From: A.vanDuijn at uva.nl (Duijn, Aad van) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 10:32:56 +0000 Subject: [Classweb-users] cutter from the Cutter Table or from G300 ? Message-ID: 010 2015394665 040 DLC ?b eng ?e rda ?c DLC ?d OHX ?d QGK 0167 1062647513 ?2 GyFmDB 020 9783421046833 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 020 3421046832 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 0243 9783421046833 042 pcc 043 e-gx--- ?a a-is--- 05000DS119.8.G4 ?b D56 2015 072 7DS ?2 lcco 049 QGKA 1001 Diner, Dan, ?d 1946- 24510Rituelle Distanz : ?b Israels deutsche Frage / ?c Dan Diner. 250 1. Auflage. 264 1Mu?nchen : ?b Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, ?c [2015] 300 170 pages : ?b illustrations ; ?c 22 cm 336 text ?2 rdacontent 337 unmediated ?2 rdamedia 338 volume ?2 rdacarrier 504 Includes bibliographical references (pages 134-167) and index. 651 0Germany ?x Foreign relations ?z Israel. 651 0Israel ?x Foreign relations ?z Germany. 650 0Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945) ?x Influence. ? DS119.8.A-Z History of Asia?Israel (Palestine). The Jews?History?Political and diplomatic history. Foreign and general relations?Relations with individual countries, A-Z G4 = Germany Dear colleagues, My question is: is the A-Z in cases like this one ?just? a cutter from the Cutter Table or should it be taken from G300 Classification and Shelflisting Manual ? Shelflisting ? General ? G 300 Regions and Countries Table ? Trying to answer my own question: I think it is a cutter rather than something from G300 (in that case you?d rather expect G3 for Germany). But on the other hand why only one digit for Germany, if it is a cuter from the Cutter Table? Because LC once ? when one digit for cuttering was normal - started that way? I?m a bit puzzled, but hopefully someone can help me! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Aad van Duijn Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Sector Acquisitie & Metadatadiensten Aad van Duijn Co?rdinator onderwerpsontsluiting Postbus 19185 | 1000 GG Amsterdam Singel 425 | 1012 WP Amsterdam T 020 525 2432 | F 020 5252390 email: a.vanduijn at uva.nl www.uba.uva.nl Aanwezig op di | wo | do | vr From hostage at law.harvard.edu Wed May 27 17:42:07 2015 From: hostage at law.harvard.edu (John Hostage) Date: Wed, 27 May 2015 21:42:07 +0000 Subject: [Classweb-users] cutter from the Cutter Table or from G300 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92E62DD27376AC4589256BCC3F29A943011A0E41@HLSANDMBX02.hlsmail.priv> I don't think there is any requirement to use either a cutter table or G300. There is no important distinction between them. G300 is just a list where certain cutters have already been worked out, but you're not required to use it. The important thing is to be consistent with what you have in your shelflist. LC has many titles using .G4, probably going back many years. Your last guess was probably the correct one. LC started with that and kept using it. It's not at all unusual to use one-digit cutters for major countries. ------------------------------------------ John Hostage Senior Continuing Resources Cataloger Harvard Library--Information and Technical Services Langdell Hall 194 Harvard Law School Library Cambridge, MA 02138 hostage at law.harvard.edu +(1)(617) 495-3974 (voice) +(1)(617) 496-4409 (fax) ISNI 0000 0000 4028 0917 -----Original Message----- From: Classweb-users [mailto:classweb-users-bounces at classificationweb.net] On Behalf Of Duijn, Aad van Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 06:33 To: classweb-users at classificationweb.net Subject: [Classweb-users] cutter from the Cutter Table or from G300 ? 010 2015394665 040 DLC ?b eng ?e rda ?c DLC ?d OHX ?d QGK 0167 1062647513 ?2 GyFmDB 020 9783421046833 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 020 3421046832 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 0243 9783421046833 042 pcc 043 e-gx--- ?a a-is--- 05000DS119.8.G4 ?b D56 2015 072 7DS ?2 lcco 049 QGKA 1001 Diner, Dan, ?d 1946- 24510Rituelle Distanz : ?b Israels deutsche Frage / ?c Dan Diner. 250 1. Auflage. 264 1Mu?nchen : ?b Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, ?c [2015] 300 170 pages : ?b illustrations ; ?c 22 cm 336 text ?2 rdacontent 337 unmediated ?2 rdamedia 338 volume ?2 rdacarrier 504 Includes bibliographical references (pages 134-167) and index. 651 0Germany ?x Foreign relations ?z Israel. 651 0Israel ?x Foreign relations ?z Germany. 650 0Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945) ?x Influence. ? DS119.8.A-Z History of Asia?Israel (Palestine). The Jews?History?Political and diplomatic history. Foreign and general relations?Relations with individual countries, A-Z G4 = Germany Dear colleagues, My question is: is the A-Z in cases like this one ?just? a cutter from the Cutter Table or should it be taken from G300 Classification and Shelflisting Manual ? Shelflisting ? General ? G 300 Regions and Countries Table ? Trying to answer my own question: I think it is a cutter rather than something from G300 (in that case you?d rather expect G3 for Germany). But on the other hand why only one digit for Germany, if it is a cuter from the Cutter Table? Because LC once ? when one digit for cuttering was normal - started that way? I?m a bit puzzled, but hopefully someone can help me! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Aad van Duijn Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Sector Acquisitie & Metadatadiensten Aad van Duijn Co?rdinator onderwerpsontsluiting Postbus 19185 | 1000 GG Amsterdam Singel 425 | 1012 WP Amsterdam T 020 525 2432 | F 020 5252390 email: a.vanduijn at uva.nl www.uba.uva.nl Aanwezig op di | wo | do | vr _______________________________________________ Classweb-users mailing list Classweb-users at classificationweb.net http://classificationweb.net/mailman/listinfo/classweb-users From mpie at loc.gov Thu May 28 06:52:38 2015 From: mpie at loc.gov (Pietris, Mary Kay) Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 06:52:38 -0400 Subject: [Classweb-users] cutter from the Cutter Table or from G300 ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The following background information may be of use when contemplating the LC shelflist and G 300. Before 1988 some schedules, especially D and H, had their own lists of regions and countries in one alphabet. The lists were not entirely consistent between schedules. Chile and China were .C4 and .C5 in the 1959 edition of D but .C5 and .C6 in the 1981 H. The Cutters sometimes changed between editions. The 1959 edition of D gave Iraq as .I57, but the 1989 edition of DT-DX gave Iraq as .I72. (D was split into 5 sections when new editions were published in the 1980s.) The 1987 edition of DS included such a list, with the note "The Cutter numbers are intended as a guide for the best distribution of numbers and are not to be used as a fixed standard or to affect numbers already assigned." When G 300 was compiled in 1986, the lists from the various schedules were compared, and the more frequently used Cutter was selected. Separate lists were then no longer needed in individual schedules. In recognition that some schedules had used other Cutters, the instructions continued to give precedence to a Cutter used in the shelflist over G 300. The current rules for G 300 state: "[G 300] is applied to new entries in the shelflist ... provided that there is no conflict with existing entries," and ?If a Cutter for a region or country has been used in the shelflist or established in the classification schedule, use that number even if it is in conflict with the number in the regions and countries table.? However, it is easy for catalogers, both inside and outside LC, to forget that G 300 exists and to use the Cutter table if there are no entries in the shelflist and no conflict. As for the number of digits in a Cutter, a single digit was originally used by LC for all Cuttering. The author number table has gone through several revisions, with routine requirement of a second digit in the late 1970s. The use of a single digit to represent countries was also standard practice. The D schedule was created before World War I and published in 1916, with no need for two digits for any country. In the list of countries from the 1958 edition of E-F, 2 digits were used only when countries needed to be inserted where no number was available, such as Sudan (.S75) between Spain (.S7) and Sweden (.S8). Long-existing Western countries generally have single digits in G 300. Use of the Cutter table instead of G 300 is not a mistake that needs to be remedied unless it results in an out-of-order shelflist. Mary K. D. Pietris, Cataloging Policy Specialist Library of Congress Acquisitions and Bibliographic Access Directorate Policy and Standards Division -----Original Message----- From: Classweb-users [mailto:classweb-users-bounces at classificationweb.net] On Behalf Of Duijn, Aad van Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 6:33 AM To: classweb-users at classificationweb.net Subject: [Classweb-users] cutter from the Cutter Table or from G300 ? 010 2015394665 040 DLC ?b eng ?e rda ?c DLC ?d OHX ?d QGK 0167 1062647513 ?2 GyFmDB 020 9783421046833 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 020 3421046832 (hd. bd. : FSC paper) 0243 9783421046833 042 pcc 043 e-gx--- ?a a-is--- 05000DS119.8.G4 ?b D56 2015 072 7DS ?2 lcco 049 QGKA 1001 Diner, Dan, ?d 1946- 24510Rituelle Distanz : ?b Israels deutsche Frage / ?c Dan Diner. 250 1. Auflage. 264 1Mu?nchen : ?b Deutsche Verlags-Anstalt, ?c [2015] 300 170 pages : ?b illustrations ; ?c 22 cm 336 text ?2 rdacontent 337 unmediated ?2 rdamedia 338 volume ?2 rdacarrier 504 Includes bibliographical references (pages 134-167) and index. 651 0Germany ?x Foreign relations ?z Israel. 651 0Israel ?x Foreign relations ?z Germany. 650 0Holocaust, Jewish (1939-1945) ?x Influence. ? DS119.8.A-Z History of Asia?Israel (Palestine). The Jews?History?Political and diplomatic history. Foreign and general relations?Relations with individual countries, A-Z G4 = Germany Dear colleagues, My question is: is the A-Z in cases like this one ?just? a cutter from the Cutter Table or should it be taken from G300 Classification and Shelflisting Manual ? Shelflisting ? General ? G 300 Regions and Countries Table ? Trying to answer my own question: I think it is a cutter rather than something from G300 (in that case you?d rather expect G3 for Germany). But on the other hand why only one digit for Germany, if it is a cuter from the Cutter Table? Because LC once ? when one digit for cuttering was normal - started that way? I?m a bit puzzled, but hopefully someone can help me! Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Aad van Duijn Universiteitsbibliotheek Amsterdam Sector Acquisitie & Metadatadiensten Aad van Duijn Co?rdinator onderwerpsontsluiting Postbus 19185 | 1000 GG Amsterdam Singel 425 | 1012 WP Amsterdam T 020 525 2432 | F 020 5252390 email: a.vanduijn at uva.nl www.uba.uva.nl Aanwezig op di | wo | do | vr _______________________________________________ Classweb-users mailing list Classweb-users at classificationweb.net http://classificationweb.net/mailman/listinfo/classweb-users